Of Ahmadis, 298-B and Pakistani Hypocrisy

When my parents brought me and my younger sisters back to Pakistan, we were assured that our return to motherland was to teach us about the “peaceful culture” of the Land of Pure. Never has a statement been more false. And it is even more appalling after what happened on Friday, May 28, 2010 in Lahore.

Wasting time on definitions and political history regarding Ahmadis is something I will not do since I am pretty sure that most of you reading this post know, at least, the typical description of a “Mirzai”. According to the majority of this country and the constitution of Pakistan, an Ahmadi is a Kaafir that denies the finality of the Prophet Muhammad and is, consequently, barred from basic religious and social rights and privileges. Their places of worship are termed “Ibadatgah” according to the definition stated in the constitution. Referring their worshiping points as “Masjid” or “Mosque” is an offence. More details can be found in thousands and thousands of links shared by orthodox Muslims throughout the world. Which is why I simply refuse to waste my energy over the bigotry that the Pakistani constitution is replete with. Read 298-B for proof. And please don’t forget to read this link: Ahmadis have been victims of global violence.

What bothers me is a set of social factors, religious hate and political hypocrisy that proved to be powerful catalysts for what happened today. At least 76 innocents were killed during Jummah prayers in Model Town and Garhi Shahu in Lahore. Let me remind bigots of Pakistan: I don’t pay a damn if they were Muslim, Jew, Christian or simply atheists because, for me, humans are humans regardless of their beliefs (or lack thereof). No one possesses the brutal authority over another human’s life. It is downright disgusting to see many, many Sunni and Shia Pakistanis commenting in favor of this savage act. Also, it is a major contradiction on their sorry part because, if they studied Islam well enough, they would learn that advocating mass murder is something their precious religion is against.

Even more repulsive is the flood of condemnations from politicians, the terms being used by the media for Ahmadis (because, believe me, it is painfully torn between portraying Pakistan as an “enlightened” country and constitutional restrictions) and, most significantly, the blame-game. Tehreek e Taliban Punjab claimed responsibility for the attacks. I seriously doubt the ‘purity’ of Hakeemullah Mehsud’s Islam since if he was such a true Momin, he would be have been more preoccupied with praying Jummah instead of leading a massacre in another mosque. But what hurt me the most were the comments given by many Pakistanis today. In this link shared by a friend of mine, you will find religious wrath and bigotry at its worst.

Compassion for mankind irrespective of creed may force you to wince when you read this: The majority of Pakistan is responsible for the attacks that occurred in Model Town and Garhi Shahu. Had we been a little philanthropic and accommodating  in our conduct, yesterday would not have been so intensely gory. Our approach towards fellow citizens is sadly based on misinterpreted religious preachings, racist social perceptions and mindless phobias. Sometimes when I’m sitting in front of the television, the only thing that keeps going through my head is how desensitized we are as a nation. We simply don’t see each others as human beings anymore.

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106 thoughts on “Of Ahmadis, 298-B and Pakistani Hypocrisy

  1. In solidarity with Ahmadi Muslims, I’m gonna offer next Jumma prayer in an Ahmadi Muslims’ mosque. (even though it’s been ages I’ve been to a mosque)

      1. The last time I checked, only God had the authority to decide who’s a “real” Muslim, and who’s a not a Muslim. Not someone called “arzoo”. Stop acting like some form of a twisted moral police, please.

      2. Exactly,who are you to decide?
        There’s a hadith where a few hypocrites came to the Prophet and recited the Kalma.The prophet,by divine information or otherwise,immediately knew their hypocritical nature and that they’d only do damage to Islam.But because they had recited the kalima,they were considered muslims.If even Hazarat Muhammad(SAW) did not regard some one as muslim or non-muslim,what is your authority?

      3. Arzoo’s feelings towards the Ahmadis is very strong — a bit too strong to suggest that it is this thinking that becomes the basis of hate crimes (and acts of terrorism) that we saw on 28 May in Lahore.

        As a Pakistani, I am ashamed of myself and of my country which has failed to protect its citizens — whoever they are — and has instead promoted a culture of hatred and bigotry against the “others”. Yes, I am a Pakistani who believes in equality of all citizens, irrespective of one’s faith, ethnicity, etc.

        It is ironic to recall that Pakistan was created for the protection of a religious minority — i.e. Muslims — in the British India. Now look at what we have done: a country in which religious minorities are badly treated, discriminated and killed — just because they have a different god.

  2. Yet another validation of global truths: Islam is in the hands of megalomaniac terrorists.

    May their Ahmadi souls rest in peace.

    1. Amna : “There is blood on every Pakistanis hand today! Each one who ignored the plight of Ahmadis, each one who sat silent while an Ahmadi suffered. Each one who had the power to retaliate by speach or else to the inhuman Laws against Ahmadis. Pakistan as a nation commuted Mass Murder yesterday.” – Play the blame game and you’re not going to get JACK in return, sugar. Let alone sympathy! Your folks were targeted, sadly, by an extremist minority. DO NOT bracket the entire nation along with the same group/s.

      Mehreen : “But screw whatever you said and let me get to the biggest flaw of your argument: The oh-so-so-so-so bright future of Pakistan. My god, after all the scum infested into the very core of our system, the hypocrisy and the injustice combined with the social, religious and even economic disasters, you still think there’s a ray of hope for us?” – The f*ck do you know about “our” country, American Born Confused Wannabe? You need to get the fuck back! And you know it. There’s going to be a revolution and hypocrites like you, dont have a bright future ahead. Why? I’d lay down my life for my homeland! You’re probably going to get nailed trying to board a US bound plane, sneaking your ass out of the ‘terrorism plagued’ nation of “ours”. Reminds me of Poetic Justice.

      Shahoo : “Just imagine if we will die with secular views in grave we will be questioned.
      What is your religion?
      Who is your creator?
      Who is that person (Holy Prophet PBUH)
      I don’t think that any person who strive for secularism will successfully reply to these questions.” – I couldn’t care less, dimwit! Ever heard of universal morals? We don’t need religion! I’ll take care of answering God. You worry about your own shitty existence/afterlife.

      Mehreen : “There are ideologies that set forth wars of epic proportions; this one in its embryonic stage. It’s growing worse and it doesn’t seem to stop.” – That’s because we’ve got crooks like you at the helm of the affairs! (not saying I’m any different, but I’m yet to be proven guilty!) People trying to save their own god damn selves while pretending to take action for the ‘greater good’ of our nation. I feel sorry for the condescending suckers you guys are going to bring up in life!

      The part where you talk about 298-B? ROFL! FFS!!!! Come on? You dont know crap about the constitution and religious issues! Are you forgetting you said that yourself? Or wait … I forgot! You’re the malingerer hypocrite, faking issues in life and pointing fingers at random people for your own f**ked up choices! 298-B addresses the religious sentiments of the muslims living in Pakistan!

      “Your constitution is passive and quite shamelessly biased” – Stop f**king advocating democracy when the laws set into practice by the majority (according to their tastes) disturbs you! God damn niggers!

      Mehreen : “And shocker: I’m not an Ahmadi. Sunni Muslim here.” – A SUNNI MUSLIM? You’re distancing yourself from about 40% of all other muslims based on something as trivial as a SECT?! Hypo–you know what you are.

      Borat : “Ha ha!”

      Dont care who you are, what you are, what your religion is! Be courteous, and expect the same in return!

      o_O’s post dated 31st May 2010 – Sadia Ahmad’s post dated 4th June 2010 – Yasser’s post dated 8th June 2010 – one word : Agreed!

      Cheers!

      *O HELL! I want 20 mins of my life back!! Attention seeking emo bloggerS!*

  3. yes you right about the majority but there is a minority that offers it sympathy and support for the ahmadis..

  4. killing of any human is condemened strongly.
    Its against Islam teaching. No true muslim will carry out such act.
    It may be a third force that is creating a uncertainity in the country to have people fighting each other!
    I am confused if Ahmdies considered them selves muslim, why majority of Muslims hate them?
    If they are true followers Prophet Muhammad PBUH and follow the teaching, no muslim will hate them.
    They need to change their school of thought to a true Muslims.

    1. We Ahmadis follow the teaching of Islam as per the Holy Quran and the teachings and practices of Holy Prophet Muhammad (sallalaho alaihe wasallam) as per the authentic Ahadith books. What else is a “true Muslim’s school of thought?”

  5. It is sad, how people claim do horrendous acts in the name of Islam. They claim to be doing the right thing, but do forget that what Islam teaches is letting others live and practice their ways of life and religion.

    I am sympathetic about this incident, rest assured no true Muslim is supporting these killings. And most I have talked to are saddened by it. I live in a very mixed community of secular s, moderates and orthodox Muslims and still can’t hear a voice supporting these killings. Which shows how bad it is considered to attack people of other beliefs here in Karachi, Pakistan.

    Regards
    Ahsan Ali Alvi
    ideas1400@yahoo.com

  6. Every time that you start thinking that this is it, nothing more terrible than this can happen in this land to shock you, something so utterly retarded happens that it renews your idea of ‘horrendous’. This is all so surreal.

  7. I am an Ahmadi, and I have have till date approached many a media men and anchors to address the Ahmadi Target killing issue as it happened in the murder of 3 people of the same family and as 2009 saw 11 murders of innocent law abiding Ahmadis.

    But the truth is that non Ahmadi Pakistanis today are ‘Shameful owners of a Monster they created’ This hatred and discrimination is braided in the very threads of Pakistani existence. An Ahmadi has to suffer in schools colleges hospitals work places every where! And on top of that you support people who give Fatwas and legalize fr you to come kill me when I postrate to my Lord in the Mosque.

    There is blood on every Pakistanis hand today! Each one who ignored the plight of Ahmadis, each one who sat silent while an Ahmadi suffered. Each one who had the power to retaliate by speach or else to the inhuman Laws against Ahmadis. Pakistan as a nation commuted Mass Murder yesterday.

    1. And the police did nothing compared to what they should have done.The terrorists and Baitul noor Model Town were caught by Ahmedi khuddam.My Uncle(chachu) kept forcing the police to enter the mosque but their coward souls abstained and said the ahmedis have said that they will protect the mosque by themselves from the inside.
      Shame on them!

    2. yeah maybe you should call out to your beloved jew masters for a mass rescue or something..you guys are so fucked in this country ..lol

  8. The sad part is everyone who dies in massacres such as this regardless of what “Sect” or part of a particular religion they belong to, are devout in their own manner praying in front of a God. What happened yesterday disgusts me and it disgusts me even more to find out that people refer to this as “katal” and call them “katal hogaye”… but when Dr Israr dies he’s deemed a “shaheed”.

    It’s sad and a disgrace and these people need to be taken to a secluded place and the same bombs and grenades they use to kill shoved up their ass and blown.

    That’d get them solace and dhair saree pyaree hoorain.

    1. LOL whatever you over grown turd.. dont use the acts of a demented few to ridicule the religious beliefs of the majority religion.. the hoors are mentioned in surah rahman. watch what your chubby hands type in their desperate effort to be counted amongst the lib’effin’rals.. :)

  9. Things are just so bad in this country of ours… This was just another attempt by foreign powers to get us up against each other and fight among ourselves.. *sigh* and we are soo gona fall for it….

  10. Who died and made anybody god’s personal assistant? How can anybody decide the fate of anyone (regardless of their beliefs)? I am sad beyond measure. I cannot believe Pakistanis could be so hateful. Maybe I should quit believing that everyone is basically good. Those comments on the website you linked to your post have frightened me. I am living among people with such hatred in their hearts and I had no idea.

    How can people give up their humanity so easily? Have they all gone completely insane? Maybe they were insane to begin with and I didn’t notice. If one is to just consider the intentions of people, then all these hateful responses are guns aimed at innocent people.

  11. I think it all starts because we’re so accustomed to drawing these lines that divide all of us.
    Different religions.
    communities within Religions.
    And no you don’t have the right to kill anyone because of the beliefs they have embraced.
    You’ve put ot well Mehreen.

    xx

  12. Very sad incident. And very well written post.
    Again, what is worse is the behavior of people like Arzoo. People like her make me wanna puke. On them.

  13. Not to mention, I have with my own two eyes seen molvis distribute hate literature before it was banned during the musharraf tenure which stated :-

    “Aik qadiani ko maro, janat mein jaga banao”..

    So much for “foreign involvement”..

  14. One of the worst effect these attacks have is that to the outside world, the word Muslim becomes synonymous with hatred, death and destruction. This is a really sad effect of this foolish hatred among Muslims over who is a ‘pure’ or ‘real’ Muslim and who is an infidel. What this serves is to simply tarnish the image of Muslims across the globe till a point will arrive (and its possible that such a point is quite close) when we won’t be able to associate a Muslim with anything other than terrorism and the like. Though this has been said numerous times, it still stands true, unless the people can unite and give up these foolish acts, there will be no peace to be found.

  15. Pakistan has become a Hell on Earth with terrorism as its major export. That it is a rogue state is clearly evident by its despicably racist constitution. The state and its apparatus have contributed to this massacre against a peaceful community. This is based on decades and decades of state sponsored overt discrimination against the Ahmadis. The educated class as represented on this website is weak and ineffectual. But many of them sadly are also kuttars and have narrow minded view of their religion. They lack the analytical skills to differentiate right from wrong and how to survive in the 21st century as a society that contributes to human civilization.

  16. All those who signed the form against Ahmadis when renewing their Pakistani passports should hang their heads in shame at the blood that is on their hands. It is now time to act in protest and end the extermists’ hold upon the government to ransom. Otherwise, tomorrow it will be other groups that will suffer. Don’t let all those lives go to waste, let’s do something about it.

  17. It is not at all surprising that after having bred so much sectarian hatred, and of late, the Taliban sympathiserz, we have come to this. It was quite inevitable. And considering the huge amount of silent approval this incident has drawn from our Muslim brethern, it tells how ‘tolerant’ a society we are.

  18. First of all i condemn Friday incident.

    But are we missing the point here? In my opinion yes. We simply cannot count all the Muslims of Pakistan in same boat regarding the ahmadi matter and believe me 80% of Muslim scholars prefer to stay silent, instead of giving fatwa justification to kill ahmadi’s etc.

    Since 9/11 how uncountable attacks have been made on Muslims in Pakistan including the mosques, whether it’s Sunnis 12th Rabbi Awal occasion, Shias Moharram procession and the painful list goes on and on.

    This is the first big attempt made on Ahmadi’s and the prop up could be either facebook ban, future northwaziristan operation, or do you remember the event of flogging of girl in swat which forced the govt to push military into swat and after one year it’s been made public that flogging video was fake.

    It’s all messed up due to 9/11 factor and in my opinion the need for the hour is unity, sovereignty, principle stand, respect for each other irrelevant of cast and religion and offcourse whoever is the terrorist should be dealt accordingly.

    and again please don’t blame all Pakistan for this, we are already suffering.

    Regards.

    1. Decent post mate, and I agree with all the things you have said are the need of the time. Being an Ahmadi, this is what we believe as well. But when our voices fall on deaf ears, what else should we believe. If you watch our channel Muslim Television Ahmadiyya MTA, you will see how much we absolutely love our Holy Prophet Muhammad (saw) and there is not a single person we have more love and adoration for. Yet we are being made the “bad guys” and Mullahs say we hold Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (ra) is higher regard. That is NOT TRUE! and who would know more, he who practices or he who wants to spread hatred against us! if Mullahs are preaching we are Wajib ul Qatl (can be rightfully murdered) and that they who murder one of us will go to heaven, why don’t Muslims think for themselves? If one day these Mullah’s say that your wife, sister or mother are Wajib ul Qatl for the way they don’t do Pardah…would these people blinding have a massacre in their houses?? Think for yourself people.

  19. Neat, the day we stop judging people on the basis of religion we will become one of the most peaceful countries of the world but the way religious fanaticism has been penetrating into our society it will surely lead us to disaster.

    All we need to change is “mind set” through a massive policy shift from school curriculum to Mullahs overhauling but I don’t think a common Pakistan is ready for this change. Future of this nation is indeed bleak!

  20. Go back to writing your verbose emo articles. Come back to current affairs when you understand your religion and your country.

    1. Ha. I’d love to but losing a family friend to this tragedy compelled me to do my share of investigative research and it turns out: It’s because of people like you this mass murder happens.

      Keeping your comment in view, you are implying that the slaughtering of more than 70 Ahmedis was acceptable according to the knowledge you possess regarding Pakistan and Islam. After all: I don’t know anything about my religion and country, right. And if it’s really like that then I’m very glad. Since my citizenship is global and my religion is peaceful. Confining me to your definition of Pakistan and Islam would be detrimental. You can stop trolling now.

      1. word, kasana, word

        wish people would stop thinking that memorizing hadith is the true way of being a muslim. theyve forgotten the humanitarian aspect completely

    2. easily do-able. but i wonder how you will begin to understand, much less cultivate, basic humanity. what should you be asked to “go and do”? there are no guides/parameters to build on that sort of ignorance and darkness, unfortunately..

  21. I’m so sorry about your relative, Mehreen. :( May his/her soul rest in peace.
    I felt the sentiments shown in this post are strong and a bit irrational. Simply because I, at least, have yet to hear a word from anyone, in favor or even ambivalent about this attack. The point is, this is essentially the same bunch of godless, mindless, moral-less killers who attacked the Parade Lane mosque in Pindi. Surely, the hatred against Ahmedis played an obvious part in this attack; but every sane Pakistani realizes that the attackers are the common enemy. If they attacked the Ahmedis today, it hardly means that they are a part of the orthodox fold of Islam; it simply means that they found another target.
    Many people feel that this is not an attack on Ahmedis. This is simply an attack on innocent humanity; nowhere, no way can this be justified in orthodox Islam.

    1. I’m glad you commented, Dure. However I’ll disagree with your bit on this post’s irrationality.

      I, for one, have heard many either remain silent about the atrocity inflicted or actually state that killing infidels in Islam is permitted and even encouraged. Which, as a humanitarian, is simply wrong. The beloved that died in this attack was not a relative but a very dear family friend. My affection for him was even labelled ‘profane’ and ‘illegitimate’ since he was an Ahmadi.

      But oh well.

  22. @Mahreen Kasana,

    Why don’t you settle in US when you don’t feel ashamed as a Muslim Pakistani. Leave this country and settle in US, you might have US passport.

    @ All

    Islam is a religion of peace, we never imposed our religious views on others. Pakistan is the country known as “Castle of Islam” and armed with Nuclear Technology. We are a responsible nation and not like what you people made comments about.

    Massacre of Ahmadis in Lahore is highly condemnable act. As usual it was an act of terrorism and Pakistan is facing such attacks since long. Here, it’s a separate discussion whether their declaration as non-Muslims was legitimate or not. We can’t blame constitution of our country or society for such acts in toto.

    Hundreds of thousands people died, Sunni, Shia, from every sect people are dying. In each blasts of Peshawar causalities were not less than hundreds, similarly in Lahore, Karachi, Quetta and other cities of Pakistan people are dying like animals. Pak Army lost numerous soldiers and officers. We have much sacrifices in current scenario and please don’t blame the system of our country.

    Individual act of Taliban in Lahore and massacre of Ahmadis is not the consent of the whole nation. Why you blame all the Paksitanis. Did you conducted survey that you declared whole nation responsible for that act? Check the newspapers of that day, this incident is condemned by all classes, orthodox ulema, scholars, intellectuals, politicians, students etc.

    Please leave this hypocrisy and blame game. Everyone has the right to live in Pakistan peacefully. No one is assaulted apart from terrorist activities from which even our army and police is not safe. Pakistan is in deplorable condition and we as a brave nation are fighting and one day you will see a progressive and developed Pakistan. Insha Allah.

    1. Dear Shahoo,

      I don’t know if you know but I actually fancy it when bolts like you prance around telling me to go back to the USA since I’m so ‘obscene’ with my honest views. My answer to your unwanted advice: Dig a hole and die in it. I’m not going anywhere. Especially when sentimental Momins like you have cancelled my chance of returning to safer lands. (Exceptions are present but the rule remains: You bug ’em, you get it hard.)

      Gigantic LOL for the ‘Caste of Islam’ because LOL Gojra LOL did LOL not LOL happen because of LOL Christians, sir. LOL it happpened because of your extremist bros. LOL or overkill; it does not matter. Your knowledge pertaining to this intolerant country’s past is a little too insufficient to prove me wrong.

      Also, what was that about not blaming the constitution? I, due to the massive onslaught of your stupidity, have nothing to say to that. Like, nothing. But you’re conveniently forgetting an obvious national reaction to the deaths of Sunnis and Shias: Open sympathy. In case of Ahmadis: It’s either intimidated or rebuked by social disapproval or it’s simply not there. I blame the majority of Pakistanis for the lack of efficient action against the ex-impending chaos. It happened and no one knew what to do.

      But screw whatever you said and let me get to the biggest flaw of your argument: The oh-so-so-so-so bright future of Pakistan. My god, after all the scum infested into the very core of our system, the hypocrisy and the injustice combined with the social, religious and even economic disasters, you still think there’s a ray of hope for us?

      Wow. Gotta commend your optimism. I’ll just stick to reality though, thanks.

      1. I am terribly optimistic most of the time and I kill my ass to build some sense of tolerance in people but here I’d have to agree with you Mehreen. And if the future was so bright, people wouldn’t shoot up a hospital. I can’t feel optimistic right now and the news makes me sick.

        Also, I wouldn’t ask you to leave – you stay right here so you can rant people into submission.

  23. Assalam-alaikum wa rahmatullah
    Many of you within the comments have stated that this is just another terrorist attack . No one will deny that many Shia and Sunni brothers have been targets of terrorist attacks. However, the attacks against Ahmadi Muslims are such that are rooted within the laws of Pakistan. The phrase I uttered at the very start could have me jailed for up to three years were I in Pakistan. I would encourage everyone here to view to press conferences (via youtube I guess) that will probably not air. It really does state things as they are

    Following the attacks, and prior to the hospital attack, another Ahmadi was martyred in Narowal. The killer stated he heard in a sermon that Ahmadi’s were Wajib-ul-Qatl. Not targeted? Unfortunately the case is not so. Regardless, we have faith in our God, the God of Hadhrat Mohammad (saw), and we leave the matter to Him.

    I’ve tried to write one or twice before but found couldn’t. Even now I want to erase it all. I would like to thank you for posting what many would rather ignore or marginalize.
    “Mein kiske naam likhoon jo aalam guzer rahe hain/mere shehr jal rahe hain, mere log mar rahe hain”

    1. In response to sermon that “Ahmadi’s are Wajid-ul-Qatl, Taliban also validated the death of Pak Army and Govt. Officers. Moreover, Taliban waged war against Govt. of Pakistan and they think they are on right path to fight against their own Muslims. So, it is not confined to Ahmadis, our whole nation is burning. When Rome was burning Nero was fiddling, wake up our leaders.

      1. The Tablian are recognized criminals, or those seeking to create disharmony within the state and are arrested, or at least combated by the gov’t (to a degree I guess).. This Maulvi, and the countless others who have made such comments?

  24. We don’t have any other option except to hope. Our country is engaged in numerous fronts and surrounded by fatal dangers. We are fighting the war of others and we have lost thousands of people and our economy is adversely affected. It’s the war of survival, either we will be erased from the world map or will turn into a big power. But, this country achieved on the name of Islam will never erase from the world map Insha Allah. One day we will be among the most influential countries of the world.

    Laws and constitutions making in our country is not to be ridiculed. It represents the will of the majority of the nation. If people kill Christians and Ahmadis, then what is harm in law rather it is the intolerance and act of terrorism of the people. Is it hypocrisy if we declare someone non-Muslim constitutional if he/she doesn’t believe on the Holy Prophet PBUH?

    I completely condemn the massacre of Ahmadis in Lahore; it is the responsibility of state to protect the lives and property of the people regardless of ethnicity and religion. But again I would like to clear the point that we are in state of emergency, our army and police is not safe. In this scenario we should encourage our security forces and law enforcement agencies. They are also suffering, this is the first time that Ahmadis were targeted in a large number but this happens with all in our country either Muslims or non-Muslims and our sympathy is with all the victims of terrorism.

    We have lost our beloved legendry leader Benazir Bhutto Shaheed, she was also victim. We have lost thousands of Pakhtuns and Muhajis in Karachi, Punjabis; more than 1600 killed in target killing in Balochistan, we have lost thousands of soldiers and officers in war again terrorism, we have thousands of orphans and widows at the mercy of circumstances. Don’t try to frustrate our sacrifices with such individual actions. It was an act of terrorism, it is highly condemnable and denounced by all quarters of life and our sympathy is a victim. Don’t open a Pandora box, constitution and laws are intact and this incident has nothing to do with laws of our state. Your approach to this incident is quite irrational and illogical.

    Stay cool warna jal jaogi.

    1. Theocracy instigates religious intolerance. I’ll always remain in support of a secular Pakisan whether the majority agrees or disagrees. You’re naive to think the constitution has nothing to do with this. With points like 298-B, the illiterate and emotionally charged masses of Pakistan find an alibi to attack such controversial minorities. You sound confused and it’s just sad.

      About Benazir: I have no sympathies for her because she was as corrupt as her peers during her political tenure. If you deny that then our argument is simply futile. Snap back to reality, sir. Until then try learning a thing or two about grammar.

      1. First I would like to clear your concept that I’m not follower of so-called religious contractors, our religion is not their inheritance, everyone has the responsibility to observe their lives in accordance with the universal teachings of Islam. Islam is

        Unfortunately, there is absence of Rule of Law in our country, that’s why incidents like Gojra happens but Lahore Hightly Conducted impartial inquiry in this matter and CCPO Lahore was debarred from posting of Lahore city. Again I would stress that law is not faulty rather people misuse it.

        Divine laws are never changed and it will remain till Dooms Day. As a student of Islamic History, I’ve studied the love of the Companions for the Holy Prophet PBUH and ultimately, waging war against false prophets and successfully crushing such moves which clearly negate the Teachings of the Holy Quran that “The Holy Prophet Muhammad PBUH is the last Prophet. ”

        Keep in mind that it’s not religion Islam rather intolerance of people that minorities in Pakistan are not safe. Dhimis have rights in a Islamic society didn’t you study that Jews and Christnains were living side by side in Madina with Muslims peacefully and enjoyed all sorts of rights and freedom.

        If due to some religious bigots we can’t depict the true picture of Islam then it is the fault of the people not religion. Islam should not be blamed in each and every matter. What produces the best Islam or secularism, and look at India there is secularism, are they living peacefully?

        Just imagine if we will die with secular views in grave we will be questioned.

        What is your religion?
        Who is your creator?
        Who is that person (Holy Prophet PBUH)

        I don’t think that any person who strive for secularism will successfully reply to these questions. It will be havoc, our destruction if we didn’t reply. God forbid.

  25. :) Do you just like agreeing with people who you know are never going to change, Mehreen?

    That’s terrible. I hope you and his family all deal well with the tragedy.
    Somehow, I fail to understand why people never see the human angle of such tragedies-wives widowed, children orphaned, friends friendless, lovers lost…After all the crudeness of ideology, the vulgarity of religion, the shamelessness and the cruelty, there is all that, sometimes subtle, sometimes not, pain, that ache. It is what wrenches my heart, whenever something like this happens.

    1. Agreeing or disagreeing, Dure? I hope that was a typo. :)

      I agree with you on this. There are ideologies that set forth wars of epic proportions; this one in its embryonic stage. It’s growing worse and it doesn’t seem to stop.

  26. @ Shahoo
    Just imagine if we will die with secular views in grave we will be questioned.

    What is your religion?
    Who is your creator?
    Who is that person (Holy Prophet PBUH)//
    ___________________________________
    Unless you’re confusing secularism with atheism, I don’t see why any ‘secular Muslim’ would have a problem answering those questions. Secularism is simply about ‘separation of the church and the state’ ; separation of religion and politics, where the government accords every religion the same rights and privileges and where no religion is superior to another in the eyes of the government.

    1. Dear I know the difference between these two. Allama Iqbal who also happens to be one of the founding fathers clearly said that in Islam religion could not be separated from other aspects of material life. Iqbal unequivocally said that in Islam temporal and spiritual are not two different domains.

      Juda ho deen siyasat say
      to reh jati hay changezi

      1. Jalaal e Baadshahi hoo kay jamhori tamshaa hoo*
        juda hoo deen siasut say to reh jaati hay chunggezi*

      2. First of all, let me make it clear that I am not your ‘dear’. Don’t know if you just wrote that to sound condescending but … just thought I’d get that out of the way.
        I’m not sure you do get the difference. What does being a secular have to do with (and I quote) :
        __________________________________________________
        ‘Just imagine if we will die with secular views in grave we will be questioned.

        What is your religion?
        Who is your creator?
        Who is that person (Holy Prophet PBUH)

        I don’t think that any person who strive for secularism will successfully reply to these questions. It will be havoc, our destruction if we didn’t reply. God forbid.

        ______________________

        You have failed to explain WHY any secular Muslim would have a problem answering any of those questions. Secularism is perfectly compatible with Islam ( where you worship Allah, believe in the finality of the Prophet and are pretty much an asset to society) , the way I see it.

  27. @F

    izza’at raas nhi ati aapko, I would like to use antonym of Dear, worthless,

    Secularism is the concept that government or other entities should exist separately from religion and/or religious beliefs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secularism. How you separate a religion from the affairs of state. For this reason, the call for secularism among Muslims is atheism and a rejection of Islam. When you deny the Divine Laws, Islamic teachings, shariah, Islamic law in a secular state then how you expect to be a good Muslim. It means your law is un-Islamic, actions of citizens are not in accordance with the Islamic Laws then How we expect to reply to these questions correctly?

    Islam is a complete code of life and guides us in statecraft as well. Islam is a comprehensive system of worship and shariah. The acceptance of secularism amounts to the abandonment of shariah and denial of the divine guidance and rejection of injunctions of Almighty Allah. It is folly to consider shariah not a not suitable for meeting the requirements of modern age. We have the options of Ijma and Qayas. So, the one who denies the Divine Laws and their implementation in a Islamic Sate then how can we call him a faithful Muslims. In Pakistan we have the laws in conformity with Divine Laws, its another matter whether these laws are implemented or not.

    Anyhow, declaring Pakistan a secular state is a far cry. It can’t be declared a secular state by few narrow minded so-called enlightened fundamentalist.

      1. Read the article, and some of the comments as well. Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah did not declare his motives for a secular state openly and he had never used the world secular in his speeches.

        Moreover, some people quotes his statement about freedom of worship in the state and take them as hint for secularism which is totally wrong. What about the following quotation when in 1946,Quaid-e-Azam declared:

        “We do not demand Pakistan simply to have a piece of land but we want a Laboratory where we could experiment on Islamic principles.”

  28. “Lanaat” is my new favourite word to describe Pakistan’s status-quo. Look around you, it’ll be found in the smallest of things.

    We’re damned as a nation because of our beliefs (or lack thereof) and flimsy moral fabric. So before blaming “foreign” powers, RAW, Taliban, Tehreek-e-Taliban, political ideology, religious bigotry, we need get our own act together….start with the basics.

  29. The terrorist acts on Ahmadis were truly despicable acts committed by people who are not Muslim and certainly not Pakistanis.

    However, I don’t see how the said section of Pakistan’s constitution instigated these terrorists to carry out the attacks. These people are uneducated and do not know the first thing about Islam. They do not hesitate to kill any human being, whatever the religion. The law is by no means perfect, in fact its far from it. Maybe if it said that Christians are not allowed to call Jesus the son of God, it would have been more consistent. Of course that wouldn’t have made it right either.

    I agree that illiterate Pakistanis in general are intolerant and always overreact. And though these qualities result in hate crimes against different races and religions all over the country, I don’t recall organised attacks on this scale happening before 9/11. The blame for what happened last Friday does not lie in the constitution of Pakistan, it lies in our state policy which has led to the creation of the evil that is the Taliban.

  30. @Mahreen Ali Kasana,

    What is wrong in 298-8? It forbade misuse of epithets, descriptions and titles, etc., reserved for certain holy personages or places. Did this law facilitate the terrorists who attacked the worship places of Ahmadis in Lahore? If yes then how?

    1. Actually everything is good in Pakistan, isn’t it?
      If I say 298-B is “Toheen e Islam” it won’t be wrong. Mehreen already explained “how”.
      Let me simplify it, 298-B is against Islamic Justice system because it protects Mullahs (to justify anything) against Ahmadis and even common innocent non-Ahmadi muslims.

      Let me tell you a story. “There was a Mullah who registered a case in police station that an Ahmadi said “Assalam o Alaikum” to him.
      So the Police Inspector summoned that Ahmadi. The Police Inspector was very mad at that Ahmadi and told him, if I ever find that you have said “Assalam o Alaikum” to this Mullah again, I am going to not let you go and also give you “Chatrol”. But you have to curse this Mullah and every time you see him, you should say “laanat” to him.

      So my question is do you like to have “Salam” or “Laanat”?

  31. “We do not demand Pakistan simply to have a piece of land but we want a Laboratory where we could experiment on Islamic principles.”

    True, but my fellow citizens you are experimenting on non-Islamic principles. Qaid was not taking about the principles of Mullahs who were calling him kafir.
    You are entrapped by these Mullahs they don’t have any good news for anyone, the only thing they can say is “kafir” and “wajib-ul-qatal”

    Free yourself that’s what Qaid was looking for.

  32. I don’t believe in your fabricated stories anyhow, if someone is declared non-Muslim by law of the land then they are not entitled to use the terms of other religions. Again I would stress that problem lies with people and Mullahs not with the law. As about Quaid, he is quoted mostly by pro secular minded people so I felt it necessary to quote his statements about Islamic system in the country as well.

    My question is not replied yet what is the problem with 298-B?

    1. Sorry for the late reply, Shahoo.

      The error in 298-B is its bigotry. It is flawed in terms of its application. It shows only one side of the entire argument: The finality of prophethood. Yet it remains silent pertaining to the staunch belief in the existence of Allah. Hence, it is excluding an entire community due to a single flaw of its faith. It has given indirect permission to the ‘killing of infidels’. That is how it remains erroneous.

      Secularism is not atheism. It is to keep a fair distance and difference between politics/governmental affairs and religion. Hence, the ‘questioning in the grave’ remains A-okay. Calm down, sir.

      1. This law is implemented to protect the Honor of the Holy Prophet PBUH. As it is obvious that they don’t have belief on the finality of the Holy Prophet so, it was felt necessary to give legal protection and thus that law was introduced.

        Did someone claimed to be god in Pakistan? Anyhow, the following two pionts are part of Objective Resolutions and it was made part of Const. in 1985.

        ~ Sovereignty belongs to Allah alone but He has delegated it to the State of Pakistan through its people for being exercised within the limits.

        Read article 20 of Const of Pak:

        20. Freedom to profess religion and to manage religious institutions. — Subject to law, public order and morality-

        (a) every citizen shall have the right to profess, practise and propagate his religion; and

        (b) every religious denomination and every sect thereof shall have the right to establish, maintain and manage its religious institutions.

        Preamble of the Const of Pak says:

        Whereas sovereignty over the entire Universe belongs to Almighty Allah alone, and the authority to be exercised by the people of Pakistan within the limits prescribed by Him is a sacred trust;

        Wherein adequate provision shall be made for the minorities freely to profess and practise their religions and develop their cultures;

        ————————

        I hope after reading the above references your vision will be broadened. yet I didn’t get satisfactory reply that How 298-B helped terrorists who attacked the worship places in Lahore?

  33. 298-B has two basic flaws I can see without getting into details.
    1. Clear target “Ahmadis”. What about others (sects, pirs, faqirs, red lighters etc) using these terms, even today. Its created on the only difference in definition of “Last Prophet”.
    2. And who the …. gave you ownership/license of any of these and any new terms in future. Also keep in mind every sect is a ‘Kafir’ in the eyes on some other sect(s)

    You don’t have to believe in anything we are saying, that’s the point. But the question remains, do you like to have “Salam” or “Laanat”?

    Yes there are Pakistani citizens who believe or say God to other things than the one God Muslims believe in, and you don’t care about it.
    Clearly 298-B is unjust, only supports one side, is the trigger to the atrocities against Ahmadis from the day it was founded, including these Mosque attacks.
    If you don’t see any problem with these laws, no one can help you see it. For me it’s a piece of junk and its place is only in the garbage.
    Everything which is unjust is a piece of junk and it has nothing to do with any true religion.

    Be brave Ahmadis, this is not going to last forever, Justice will prevail, if humans don’t do it, God always does.

    Shahoo: here is your holy script, you know the word “reserved” is funny, i heard muslims are now not allowed to use English, because it is now “reserved” for ……… :) . Also the word “as” remove all limits, as any insane person can and are coming up with new terms to be “reserved”, Ridiculous.


    298-B. Misuse of epithets, descriptions and titles, etc., reserved for certain holy personages or places:

    (1) Any person of the Quadiani group or the Lahori group (who call themselves ‘Ahmadis’ or by any other name who by words, either spoken or written, or by visible representation-

    (a) refers to or addresses, any person, other than a Caliph or companion of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), as “Ameer-ul-Mumineen”, “Khalifatul-Mumineen”, Khalifa-tul-Muslimeen”, “Sahaabi” or “Razi Allah Anho”;

    (b) refers to, or addresses, any person, other than a wife of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), as “Ummul-Mumineen”;

    (c) refers to, or addresses, any person, other than a member of the family “Ahle-bait” of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), as “Ahle-bait”; or

    (d) refers to, or names, or calls, his place of worship a “Masjid”; shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to three years, and shall also be liable to fine.

    (2) Any person of the Qaudiani group or Lahori group (who call themselves “Ahmadis” or by any other name) who by words, either spoken or written, or by visible representation refers to the mode or form of call to prayers followed by his faith as “Azan”, or recites Azan as used by the Muslims, shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to three years, and shall also be liable to fine.

  34. @Shahoo

    Here is the exception to your article 20:


    298- C. Person of Quadiani group, etc., calling himself a Muslim or preaching or propagating his faith:
    Any person of the Quadiani group or the Lahori group (who call themselves ‘Ahmadis’ or by any other name), who directly or indirectly, poses himself as a Muslim, or calls, or refers to, his faith as Islam, or preaches or propagates his faith, or invites others to accept his faith, by words, either spoken or written, or by visible representations, or in any manner whatsoever outrages the religious feelings of Muslims shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to three years and shall also be liable to fine.

  35. @Closed Eyes

    Of course 298-B and C is meant of Ahmadis, Qadyanis and Lahori group who don’t believe on the finality of the Holy Prophet Peace Be Upon Him. This law was exclusively passed by assembly to prevent them for damaging Islam and protect the sanctity the Prophet Muhammad PBUH. Others didn’t harm the sentiments of Muslims so, no need of such law. Those who don’t believe on the finality of the Holy Prophet PBUH are clearly defying the Holy Quran where it is clearly mentioned that Muhammad PBUH is the last Prophet.
    We have Constitution, legally Ahmadis who pretended to be Muslims were declared infidels by the overwhelming majority of the parliament; by representatives of the people and no other sect is declare Kafir constitutionally in Pakistan. Pakistan is an Islamic country; we achieved this piece of land after numerous sacrifices, so no one should dare to harm the sentiments of the majority of this land.
    About you point “Salam” and “Lanat” we have clear instructions, whenever an infidel says to us, Assalam-0-Alaikum, then we have to reply only Walaikum. This is a non cognizable act if an infidel says “Salam” to a Muslim in our country. :D
    298-B, C was founded to bridle the activities of Ahmadis and to prevent them by harming the sentiments of the Muslims. See your insanity by calling the law garbage which is approved by majority. Every one knows the reality of Ahmadis, if they have problem with Pakitani Law then they should go to their second home, Israel where they have more facilities. Constitution can only be defined by a jurist and judge; you are not any authority to interpret the constitution.
    —————

    @Mahreen Ali,

    Here is not text editor option why ?

      1. @ Shahoo

        //Every one knows the reality of Ahmadis, if they have problem with Pakitani Law then they should go to their second home, Israel where they have more facilities//

        I hope you rot in hell.

  36. @Mahreen Ali Kasana,

    It is an option if they don’t feel secure they can join their headquarter at Israel or UK where they might have more freedom than Pakistan. But we have moderate constitution and guaranteed freedom of worship to every religion except to preach their religion.

    P.S: Sir and Hell….once respect then ha ha ha ha

    P.S.S: You seem to be an educated illiterate gal, avoiding using FUCK.

    1. You sound so very stupid when you say that. Their headquarters are not UK or Israel just because you’re reading off Wikipedia. Their home is Pakistan. They’re equal citizens just as much as you are. You have no authority to tell other citizens of this country to take refuge in their foreign ‘headquarters’.

      Also, please don’t tell me what to do. You’re too stupid for that.

  37. @ Shahoo

    It’s PPS, not PSS. You illiterate, uneducated buffoon. Throw yourself off a cliff. Dumbfuck.

    It’s Ahmadis right now. Soon, it’s going to be other sects like Shias and Sunnis until anyone who doesn’t adhere to a strict Islamic code set forth by the Taliban will be deemed a non-Muslim and hence , wajib-ul-qatal.

    1. Unnecessary reasoning leads to destruction in the matters of religion, Ima’an is to testify without any reason. After postmortem of the Mahreen’s post and comments of some of the people reveals that problem is not with law, rather they can’t digest such sections of law which is an obstacle on their way to get their motives successful.

      Whenever, there is some problem their first target is that Law. If someone argue with an Ahmadi, same reply that there are flaws in Constitution of Pakistan. PPPP – a center-left party famous for its liberal thoughts even don’t find any flaw with that law. It is hypocrisy of the writers like Mahreen Ali Kasana not the law, what is your problem with that Law when it clearly protected the “Finality of the Holy Prophet PBUH”.

      Attack on worship places in Lahore has no sanction of that law, is incorporated in the law that those who attack on Ahmadis will be granted pardon? Is it mentioned in the law that Ahmaids have no room in Pakistan?

      Police engaged in combating terrorism Khyber Pakhtunkhwa receive the same threats, a DSP was killed, then even bombs were exploded in his graveyard. They receive the threats to leave the job and region, their families are also not safe and even their families are targeted. Pakistan is affected by terrorism. Find the root causes elsewhere not with laws of the land.

      My question is not replied yet with solid arguments that how 298-B helped the attackers of Lahore? How it indirectly help them? or else it is your hypocrisy not of the law.

  38. @Shahoo good going. May be they can reply your questions if you ask them like this

    1) what clause of the constitution helped in Nishtar Park Blast in 2006 for the occasion of 12th Rabil ul Awwal

    2) what clause of the constitution helped in Moharram Procession blast

    3) what clause of the constitution helped and helping in destroying the female school?

    i am certainly impressed(NOT REALLY) with so many so called intellectuals smart on the blog space and others and should i say one of them mehreen ali kasana whose subject of the post was conflict in clause of constitution but she is ending up in b/w justifying the religion and faith of Ahmadi, quite mature and practical keep it up.

    Should i say above paragraph is banter or taunt, take it whatever you like but never mind.

    Kind Regards.

    Peace…

    1. Dear Yasser,

      Your constitution is passive and quite shamelessly biased, we all know this. You’re merging other questions into a completely different issue. We’re discussing how the constitution remains unaccommodating towards Ahmadis. Your constitution provides protection for the victims of Moharram Procession blast, Nishtar Park Blast and the destruction of girls schools since they aren’t ‘controversial’ citizens in our homeland. Your constitution, however, openly attacks Ahmadis for being who they are.

      No one here is a ‘so-called intellectual’, Yasser. I am not justifying anyone’s belief or religion. All I am in favor of is coexistence. Something you and your kind doesn’t believe in and doesn’t tolerate. Your sarcasm doesn’t help in any way. You can go back to being thick-skulled. Read carefully: In the post above, there is no theological justification of Ahmadis and their belief. I am only a firm believer of their peaceful existence in this country. Name one Ahmadi who has wrecked havoc in Pakistan. And then weigh him against every Sunni or Shia who’s done the same.

      Your paragraph was neither banter nor taunt for it lacked accuracy and sufficient rebuttal of my claims.

      Peace? I think not.

  39. @Kasana,

    You comments have nothing to do with reality. These are views of a biased mind, painted with insanity and creation of a silly mind. You even didn’t prove that how that law directly or indirectly aided the attackers of Lahore.

    Come out of your limited world (ur blog), meet people of all walks of life in real world, do some research, develop your analytical thinking, broaden your mind and come forward with solid and logical ideas.

    As 1 billion plus Muslims in the world about few Ahmadis and their tenets; they will declare them infidels on the spot.

    Are you Ahmadi?

    1. Hahaha, Shahoo. You made a funny, a big funny right there. A biased mind? I just explained how 298-B gives an unspoken license to kill Ahmadis and other minorities (recall Gojra) and you still can’t read. Your loss, then.

      My limited world? That gave me a good laugh. I needed it. Continue denying the facts; it’s the best way to run away from an argument a sad bigot dimwit like you is losing.

      I am stating this once again: I do not pay a flying fuck to their infidelity or anyone’s, for that matter. I am against the killing of human beings.

      And shocker: I’m not an Ahmadi. Sunni Muslim here. But if your version of Islam permits killing of ‘infidels’ then here I go: I am an infidel before your biased version of Islam. My version of religion is simply based on peaceful coexistence and nothing more. Get that through your skull OR start considering a lobotomy.

  40. @Mehreen

    we have to be practical when it comes to clause for Ahamdi’s. Quaid envisaged secular Pakistan when he said every minority is allowed freedom, Ahamdi’s like other minorities are allowed freedom in Pakistan, I’ve visited Hindus Temple, Christians church, Ahmadis’ Community center, Ahmadis are freely allowed there to show the wordings of their Mirza Ghulam, Sikh coming for some religious gathering in Pakistan are welcomed freely so a christians on christmas, but there are some events like gojra and this which doesn’t help Pakistani’s claim great deal.

    Also we have to see, we are living in a state called Pakistan who achieved it’s Independence based on two nations theory. If there is any community or group involved in challenging the Basic Fundamental of Muslims then the Muslim country has every right to bring it into Law. it is about 170 millions Muslims of Pakistan notion against 40 thousand Ahmadis claim, When it comes to minority we don’t see any clause against Hindus, Christs and other because they are not marketing themselves as Muslims, though on the other hand when it comes to Ahmadi they claim themselves Real Muslims and as per the claims of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed we sunni’s/shia or in short those who don’t believe on his faith are automatically non-muslims, this challenges the wording ISLAMIC republic of Pakistan automatically.

    As far as your comment is concern “Name one Ahmadi who has wrecked havoc in Pakistan”

    You should research on Mulana Yousuf Ludhyanvi, one of the best scholar who wrote so many books to help Ummah, few books he wrote on Ahmadi’s as well, after writing the books on Ahamdis he was being killed, and believe my word you might be a small girl in 2000, but it was a great loss for Ummah :'(

    As far as your comment regarding coexistence is concern, i really appreciate your thoughts which is same as mine and we all should believe and behave with Ahmadis just like we will do with other Pakistani’s, though i will justify the clause in constitution for Ahmadi but in that case it becomes automatically prime responsibility of the govt to give them protection.

  41. Shahoo
    I was wondering if you believe in Allah. If your answer is “yes” then please let Allah decide who is Muslim and who is not. As a student of Islamic History You must know that First Surah of Quran says” Master of the Day of Judgment”.
    I was in shocked to see comment like that from you;”why they are using Islamic term” I am sad ppl like you who are studying Islamic History are the one who don’t know anything about the peaceful religion of Islam. Please Please broaden your mind, my lovely country is burning and you are writing that” why Ahmadies use Islamic term” come on.
    Please come out of Jihaltl. You are not the owner of Islam. Its Allah’s religion, he will take care of it. You are talking about religion of Allah in a way somebody talks about their product. If you are true Muslim you should be happy that non-Muslim are using phrases of Islam. As you know all phrases of Islam are just blessing. Please wake up instead of wasting your time writing false things about Islam, and spreading hatred among ppl of Allah do some work to spread the lovely religion of “Islam” and leave the rest on Allah to decide who is Muslim/non Muslim.
    One more thing Please explain it to me your point of view about “Seal of the Prophets”

  42. Amna : “There is blood on every Pakistanis hand today! Each one who ignored the plight of Ahmadis, each one who sat silent while an Ahmadi suffered. Each one who had the power to retaliate by speach or else to the inhuman Laws against Ahmadis. Pakistan as a nation commuted Mass Murder yesterday.” – Play the blame game and you’re not going to get JACK in return, sugar. Let alone sympathy! Your folks were targeted, sadly, by an extremist minority. DO NOT bracket the entire nation along with the same group/s.

    Mehreen : “But screw whatever you said and let me get to the biggest flaw of your argument: The oh-so-so-so-so bright future of Pakistan. My god, after all the scum infested into the very core of our system, the hypocrisy and the injustice combined with the social, religious and even economic disasters, you still think there’s a ray of hope for us?” – The f*ck do you know about “our” country, American Born Confused Wannabe? You need to get the fuck back! And you know it. There’s going to be a revolution and hypocrites like you, don’t have a bright future ahead. Why? I’d lay down my life for my homeland! You’re probably going to get nailed trying to board a US bound plane, sneaking your ass out of the ‘terrorism plagued’ nation of “ours”. Reminds me of Poetic Justice.

    Shahoo : “Just imagine if we will die with secular views in grave we will be questioned.
    What is your religion?
    Who is your creator?
    Who is that person (Holy Prophet PBUH)
    I don’t think that any person who strive for secularism will successfully reply to these
    questions.” – I couldn’t care less, dimwit! Ever heard of universal morals? We don’t need religion! I’ll take care of answering God. You worry about your own shitty existence/afterlife.

    Mehreen : “There are ideologies that set forth wars of epic proportions; this one in its
    embryonic stage. It’s growing worse and it doesn’t seem to stop.” – That’s because we’ve got crooks like you at the helm of the affairs! (yes, I’m no different, but I’m yet to be proven guilty!) People trying to save their own god damn selves while pretending to take action for the ‘greater good’ of our nation. I feel sorry for the condescending suckers you guys are going to bring up in life!

    The part where you talk about 298-B? ROFL! Come on? FFS!!! You dont know crap about the constitution and religious issues! Are you forgetting you said that yourself? Or wait … I forgot! You’re the malingerer hypocrite, faking issues in life and pointing fingers at random people for your own f**ked up choices! 298-B addresses the religious sentiments of the muslims living in Pakistan!

    “Your constitution is passive and quite shamelessly biased” – Stop f**king advocating democracy when the laws set into practice by the majority (according to their tastes) disturb you! God damn niggers!

    Mehreen : “And shocker: I’m not an Ahmadi. Sunni Muslim here.” – A SUNNI MUSLIM? You’re distancing yourself from about 40% of all other muslims based on something as trivial as a SECT?! Hypo–you know what you are.

    Borat : “Ha ha!”

    Dont care who you are, what you are, what your religion is! Be courteous, and expect the same in return!

    o_O’s post dated 31st May 2010 – Sadia Ahmad’s post dated 4th June 2010 – Yasser’s post dated 8th June 2010 – one word : Agreed!

    Cheers!

    *O HELL! I want 20 mins of my life back!! Attention seeking emo bloggerS!*

  43. I thoroughly enjoyed your individual-attacks on several commentors; it shows how you couldn’t stick to one flaw of this post and validate your aggressive claims. Good good but it doesn’t wory like that, sorry. Now let me help you untangle that mind of yours.

    You took every comment literally (something I used to do often and got punished for only recently). American Born Confused Wannabe? That made me laugh really hard. I doubt you pay enough attention to the ‘saqafat’ of your precious country more than I do. Cussing at me won’t help, sir. Do not assume I intend on leaving this country forever. It is my homeland as much as it is yours; the difference is, my patriotism lies in correcting the societal discrepencies of this country. Where did I mention leaving this country in the first place? I’m here and after nascent developments in my life, I firmly believe in staying put in this land. I’m not sorry if you have an issue with that, sir.

    Also, how am I am a ‘crook in the helm of affairs’? Snappy phrases don’t help, Mediocre Fool. Cut down on the rhetoric and give me valid points, please. You said “God damn niggers” and that is precisely when I knew you’re a product of this country’s prejudice. It’s just sad you used that term.

    Emo? What is that, I don’t even.

    Please calm down and prove yourself correct. I’m right here, open for another vulgar attack from your side.

  44. I think only Prophet Muhammad P.B.U.H. knows what Islam is. And only He knows the true soul of Islam and Quran. Who are we to judge others! We have flaws, and we are not devoted Mulsims. The only person who is all righteous and all correct is Prophet P.H.U.H. Only he can say who is or is not a Muslim. Only He know the true meaning of Quran. So please please please ask for forgiveness of Allah and pray that we do not hurt others. Live in peace and let others live in peace.

    And do not talk about others persons religious beliefs.

    When Allah told the angels that he would create humans, the angels relied that humans will do bloodshed. You see what arguments the angels put against humans! KILLIING EACHOTHER!!! what could be worse than KILLING EACHOTHER???? KILLING EACHOTHER IN THE NAME OF ALLAH AND RELIGION!!!

    Shameful isn’t it? Well I am ashamed! donot know about you guys!!!

  45. If you want to know the reality of those references. Please go to this website,
    http://www.alislam.org/urdu/library/87.html
    you will find those books online. Read it and then you will find out what is true
    You have to read those pages to understand the subject. Don’t be surprised if you won’t find some Quotes in those books, b/c some of them don’t even exist.

    I don’t know why ppl are so ignorant about Human rights, and freedom of speech. Pakistani law is against human laws, the rights Allah has given to the entire human untill the world end and then He will decided at the day of Judgment who is kafir and who is not.
    don’t justifies that inhuman laws of Pakistan, (sp when your justification is based on lie) which are destroying Pakistan, people of this countries hate each others b/c they have been taught that hate is ok, killing is ok. resent incident proves it again another blast in Lahore 42 innocent lives are gone, I don’t know how many more you guys need before you understand that if you spread hate against one community, you are spreading hate against everyone, If you justifies nonsense laws against one community, it will come hunt you as well.

  46. Dear Miss Kasana,

    You have lived in America, and surely must have heard the debate about GOD’s name being used in “In God we trust”. The issue I am talking about is of Atheist. American Atheist believe that there should be no mention of the word GOD in American Institution or on the penny! But as you know American Government has not obliged to removed the word GOD. The reason being that if GOD is removed from schools and government offices then they would have to change all the things they believed in when they created America! They would have to change the heart and soul of the aspirations they believed in when they created American! So that is why the American Government is protecting “In GOD we trust”.

    Same thing applies to Pakistan’s Government! The mention of the finality of Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H) is the corner stone of Islam, because it is mentioned in the Quran. Now the issue of Ahmedis is that they do not believe in the finality of Prophet (P.B.U.H) as we all know! This stands against the teachings of Quran and Sunnah, and it is vital to protect one of the founding principles of Islam. And since Pakistan stands to be home of 170 million Muslims, who’s aspirations stands with the belief that Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H) was the last Prophet, it is therefore the right of People of Pakistan to demand from the government to protect the sanctity of the Prophet that was bestowed upon him by GOD.

    Now the real issue is that the Atheist of America do not call themselves Christians. And after calling themselves Christians the refute the existence of GOD! They do not do that! They call themselves Atheist! But Ahmedis on the otherhand call themselves Muslims and refute the claim of Quran that Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H) is the last prophet. That stands against the teaching of Islam! Now if 170 Million Muslims want to protect their religion from some newcomers who are changing the definition of Islam then they can ask to pass a law to protect the aspirations of the people and the teachings of Quran and Sunnah.

    Now they issue that Pakistani constitution is at fault and it is responsible for the deaths of Ahmedis is baseless! Because the killings were carried out by Taliban who do not believe in the constitution of Pakistan. And you surely know that according to Taliban all those who are against them are Kafir (Non-Muslims) and are by their twisted version of Islam can be slaughtered without regrets.

    I hope you do understand that I am not advocating violence! And that I do condemn killing of any living creature! And I detest and condemn Taliban and their hateful ways! I believe in the safe and peaceful existence of Ahmedis or any other sect or religion in Pakistan, and that I am saddened by the killings of Ahmedis that took place in Lahore. I do not know about 170 million Pakistanis and their views about the killing of Ahmedis, but since you blamed me I must say you are fucked up!

    1. According to you Ahmadis are not true muslim.
      According to Taliban, probably you aren’t too, and Islam needs to be ‘protected’ from you as well.

  47. i cant understand how anyone, for any reason, can hurt a human being like this. No rational, no religion, no God damned logic or reasoning justifies killing/harming another. It is so very basic, humanity, that i am at loss to even argue at its importance, or make someone understand something that should be universal and integrated already.. you did a brilliant piece.

  48. Mademoiselle Mereen Ali Kasana,

    It is an honour to meet you at your interesting blog. You wrote an interesting post. I want to tell you something.

    The 298-B was implemented after days of painstaking effort on the part of genuine Ulema. Before that, do you know what used to happen?

    Islam has got no problem with infidels. The Holy Prophet (S.A.W) himself allowed the chrtistians to pray in the Masjid-e-Nabwi.He invited them to have dialogue with him. When they refused, he didn’t gun them down .He allowed them to go peacefully.

    Ahmadis are different. They say that the Holy Prohet (S.A.W) was succeeded by another prophet (Mirza Qadiani) which is refuted by the Quran itself.

    Surah Ahzab: Muhammad (S.A.W) is not a father of any of you, but he is the last of prophets.
    Hazat Abubakar himself killed Muslaima Kazzab who claimed himself to be a prophet.
    The Holy Prophet (S.A.W) himself said that what my disciples did is tantamount to what I do.So, indirectly, the Holy Prophet himself killed Muslaima Kazzab.

    It is all a matter of weak Iman and weak faith. You do not offer Nimaz. Neither do you read religious books out of the fear that you will become a Mullah. You have not performed Hajj.

    Start offering Nimaz. It will clear your mind of doubts and soothe you. Hell and Heaven are real. Quran isn’t bible .It simply is true. But we have weak belief in it.

    And lastly, I also don’t want Ahmedis to be killed like this either.

  49. Doing meditation is still more helpful.

    See Tasawwuf.org –> Basics for the seeker.

    Just try that for a month.I give u my word of honor n i never broke it in my life—that u will feel a tremendous revolution.

  50. Good writing, have spent the last two hours reading through your blog. Keep it up! It is people like you on whom we will depend to bring some pragmatism and balance to our society.

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